I run into a user on this site who, while technically competent, frequently makes comments that appear intended to demean or shame others.

Here's an example:

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One can only speculate as to why a Google link was posted, but I'd interpret it to be something along the lines of "I think your question is stupid, so let me copy-paste it into Google for you." In this case, the Google search contains no relevant results, with hits only returned for outdated versions of PostGIS and for geometry objects, not rasters.

I flagged this comment as "rude" and not only was the flag declined, but the comment was upvoted by the moderator, which signifies "this comment adds something useful to the post."

Does this site takes seriously its "be nice policy", which I think sets a pretty high bar:

If you don't have time to say something politely, just leave it for someone who does.

If so, why is this behavior tolerated and even rewarded by moderators? Am I off-base on my expectation of politeness?

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    I flagged this comment as "rude" and not only was the flag declined, but the comment was upvoted by the moderator, which signifies "this comment adds something useful to the post." - I'm interested in how you know it was the moderator that upvoted the comment? – Midavalo Oct 16 '17 at 16:18
  • Both events happened at the same time, and not the first time it's happened. I'd invite the moderator that processed the flag to correct me, though. – dbaston Oct 16 '17 at 16:20
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    This is inevitably anecdotal and not backed by hard statistics, but I stopped using Stack Exchange because I became depressed at the sheer lack of effort from people asking questions, complete with awful grammar and spelling mistakes. The level of questions, on GIS.SE, has not so far reached such lows, but I feel the trend is very much in that direction. The docs for ST_DWithin actually state that an index is used, if present, so this question does exhibit fairly extreme help vampirism. – John Powell Oct 25 '17 at 12:22
  • @JohnPowellakaBarça I hear you, but I think the merits of the ST_Within question are beside the point. My question is whether this community (and more specifically its moderators) agree that a snarky response is considered "being nice" and the best way to respond to such a question. – dbaston Oct 25 '17 at 13:36
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    @dbaston. Agreed, a snarky comment is most definitely not being nice. I try and not lower myself to that level, but sometimes after a long day of solving problems, and maybe a glass of wine, my worst instincts come out. – John Powell Oct 25 '17 at 14:52
  • @JohnPowellakaBarça did you mean "stopped using Stack Overflow" when you said "stopped using Stack Exchange"? – PolyGeo Oct 26 '17 at 9:39
  • @dbaston whenever I see a comment that uses rudeness and belittling language I act on it. I do not think that the scope of that guideline should be extended to LMGTFY comments if there is any chance that such a comment may be helpful to the asker. Nevertheless, I do agree that LMGTFY are a borderline case which I recommend always be prefaced by some context about why it is being posted. I think the level of politeness your question is advocating could be seen as stifling to prolific answerers/commenters. It would be admirable if volunteered resources were far greater in volume. – PolyGeo Oct 26 '17 at 10:19
  • @PolyGeo, yes, I meant Stack Overflow. I prefer GIS.SE, as it is a smaller and more friendly community on the whole. SO has been overrun by overzealous moderation and a deluge of help vampirism. – John Powell Oct 26 '17 at 12:15
  • Related: gis.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/304/… – dbaston Oct 26 '17 at 12:31
  • @PolyGeo I recommend adding "I think the level of politeness your question is advocating could be seen as stifling to prolific answerers/commenters" to your answer if you believe it to be true (and you believe that the site's documentation does not advocate this level of politeness). Not sure I see the connection between this issue and volunteered resources. – dbaston Oct 26 '17 at 12:33
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    If I were looking to enforce Be Nice to the level that you seem to be advocating then there are four users on this Q&A alone whose use of language involving other users I could take issue with. Being nice includes giving other users the benefit of the doubt when a hard line on those guidelines might dictate doing otherwise. The path taken by all of us needs to be sensible and that we are all volunteering our time should not be overlooked. – PolyGeo Oct 26 '17 at 13:52
  • Sounds like the simple answer to this question is "yes, you are off-base on your expectation of politeness." ? – dbaston Oct 26 '17 at 14:06
  • It is permissible and encouraged to self-answer, on both Main and here in Meta. – PolyGeo Oct 26 '17 at 14:16

GIS SE, like all Stack Exchange sites, takes Be nice very seriously, because, despite being phrased as guidelines, it is tantamount to policy.

The second and third guidelines do not seem to be part of your question but I will quote the first guideline here because that does seem to be part of it:

Rudeness and belittling language are not okay. Your tone should match the way you'd talk in person with someone you respect and whom you want to respect you. If you don't have time to say something politely, just leave it for someone who does.

The comment that you flagged falls into the category of LMGTFY i.e. Let me Google that for you which we have discussed on this site previously.

The comment you flagged was the second by the user on that question and both seemed designed to help the asker of the question find their answer. I think it's a fine line to make LMGTFY comments, even when LMGTFY.com is not invoked, but if I had processed your flag I too would have declined it because I cannot see how a link that may help remind a user that google.com does a great job of answering many questions and side questions constitutes "Rudeness and belittling language".

Nevertheless I think it behooves all of us to "be good to each other", and be as "welcoming and patient" with new and old users alike, by taking care not to give any semblance of trying "to demean or shame others".

With respect to your assertion that you know who upvoted a comment, all I can say is that even as a moderator the only time that I can know who upvoted a comment is when I upvoted it myself. Voting here on comments, answers and questions is anonymous to all users, including community moderators, by design, and all users, including community moderators, are free to vote as they see fit (serial voting excepted).


Timeline does not show votes up on comments

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I think it was more a for your information (fyi) than an in-politeness to you. I probably could answer that question with an answer but time is short for me currently, so I will let other more talented postgis users out there answer.


"be nice policy"

This kind of works both ways. People that come here largely to answer questions and not ask them are always short on time. That's not to say that we're trying to be mean, but sometimes those that ask questions lean a little bit too much. And that's not nice -- use what you got before you tap into mine. Mental resources are always in short supply.

Could he have been nicer? Yes. But, ask not what your country/community/others/etc can do for you, ask what you can do for yourself.

As far as I can see, there are few potential strikes. To assign blame we have to asses both actions,

  1. It was asked "Does ST_Within utilize an index" here is that it's clearly answered in the docs,

    This function call will automatically include a bounding box comparison that will make use of any indexes that are available on the geometries. To avoid index use, use the function _ST_Within.

    Did they miss it? Did they even bother looking it up? Is their time worth more than the person asking the question?

  2. They went out and said, "haven't tried with ST_Within()". Why is that? Why does he have to respond at all to a suggestion he made in good faith that wasn't even tried? If that person is skeptical, shouldn't they at least test that which they're skeptical of before having others address their skepticism?

  3. And lastly, whether or not ST_WIthin() uses an index or is in the docs is really aside from the point. It's a GREAT question. Unfortunately, it stands on its own -- it's atomic. It needn't have anything to do with what was being asking. We like great questions even if they're reproduced on GIS.se. So upvote the answer or comment that was provided. Ask the other great question here, and if you later find the question answered elsewhere self-answer it here and hopefully it will assist others in the future.

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